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发表于 2014-3-7 21:26:55 | 只看该作者
I talked too much democracy lately. Let's have a study/talks more about .... Ukraine
Yanukovych elected as president in 2010. He ends up "dictator" then pursuit "personal gain". In 2011, Yulia Tymoshenko even sentenced to seven years in prison and ordered to pay the state $188 million.
Recently (actually today) Turchynov chosen as acting president while Yanu has been removed by parliament. US & Western allies acknowlege Turchynov where Russia accept Yanukovych.
Ukraine imposed "DEMOCRACY" by Russia and US? Both Russia & US proclaim legal/law in this incident! The fact is RUSSIA vs USA/WEST! Crimea holds the throat of Russia's navy in Sea of Azov (to access Balck sea).
Thus ..... does Ukrainian received true DEMOCRACY? No, IMO. Both Yanukovych/Yulia/Turchynov not. Ukraine did fall into 民主陷阱 and have no way out!
In order to pursuit our own/true DEMOCRACY we must know "打鐵還需自身硬".
Same is happening in Thailand [民主陷阱] but geographically Thai has no threat to USA.
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发表于 2014-3-26 09:07:28 | 只看该作者
For anybody that thinks Russia trying to keep Ukraine and other Central Asian nations under its influence, and for that matter, China's territorial claims, constitute bully or aggression. I would suggest a more pragmatic outlook as well as some history lessons. Starting with the Monroe Doctrine which the US follows.
The Monroe doctrine was espoused by former US president James Monroe and has been followed ever since. What that doctrine basically boils down to is this; the entire South America is to considered America's sphere of influence, and any other world powers that try to intrude on it will be met with military aggression.
Pragmatically speaking, every major world power will seek to carve out its own sphere of influence as well as buffer zones. If any small nation under a certain regional power's sphere of influence becomes too independently minded, it will certainly be met with economic & military coercion followed by outright invasion if it doesn't "behave properly". Its been done throughout history, and is done today.
The problem today is that the US has become so powerful that it see almost the entire world as its own sphere of influence, and expects obedience from everyone. Those that are not cooperative will certainly be punished by Uncle Sam.
When Gorbachev the naive idealist dissolved the USSR more than 2 decades ago, he believed the US' promises of friendship and non-aggression. He believed in the US' explicit promise that NATO would not expand any further, and that it would cease being hostile to them. Today, NATO has expanded to Russia's doorstep and has massive military buildup in direct reach of Moscow and Russia's entire heartland. It seeks to completely neutralize Russia's strategic nuclear arsenal with a missile defence system placed right beside Russia's borders.
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发表于 2014-3-26 08:48:43 | 只看该作者
dragondick 发表于 2014-3-25 04:47
RUSSIA KICKED OUT OF G8:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/2 ... -trip/index.html?hp ...
The West portrays this as Russian aggression, but they know full well that it was coming. Russia MUST do this or risk losing everything it has.
If EU & NATO succeeds in getting Ukraine on its side, Russia's economic heartland and agricultural "bread basket" will be literally right across the border from NATO's planes, tanks, missiles, etc. Not to mention that Russia would also lose its one and only all-year accessible naval base in the west.
It is an existential issue for Russia to keep Ukraine neutral at the very least, if not allied. Otherwize, that would be akin to having your biggest enemy with a dagger perpetually poised 2 inches from your heart. Lets be pragmatic about this, Russia will fight such a scenario with everything its got. I would say it is showing massive restraint already.
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发表于 2014-3-12 07:56:53 | 只看该作者
Yes,
Unfortunately US is very aware of that. We can see that the Americans are very strategic since WWII. They are currently ahead of the game and they have always been successful in using other nation's painful history against each other.
For instance, they were actually the one which helped former USSR and communist China in power in order to defeat Germany and Japan. They fucked KMT which was exiled to Taiwan in the process. Now, 100 years later, the US is still positioned very well to contain China and Russia in the East cage. But now using Japan and Taiwan against China.
Hell, who knows if HK complains too much, they will soon start to influence it against China.
I would say Russia is pretty much done economically and politically. The only card they are playing is military, but US again use that to make the world perceive them as evil. Classic case of victim made to be the aggressor..
China has always been waiting, resisting provocations from nations. So as the Chinese people, always quiet and take it.
Just in case we haven't noticed. The message in Western newspaper almost always negatively biased against China.
For instance the Malaysian Air plane accident:
One article from globe&mail with title "China URGES Malaysia government to speed up search"...
Which drew bunch negative comments from Canadians to China, such as "aggressor", "non-sensible", "rude", "ruthless regime" etc
However, the fact is that no government in China actually has "urged" or "warned" any other country regard this event. So by picking smart English wording, Western Media constantly paint a dark picture of China.
Same happens when they talk about Russia.
It is kind of interesting, if you pay attention, you will notice that.
I am tired of reading Western news these days, and I am accessing news from the source to have a boarder view of world events. |
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发表于 2014-3-8 00:22:51 | 只看该作者
I like the last word "打鐵還需自身硬". = pussy hunting 還需自身硬!
Joking aside, Russia is not interested in democracy. Putin got around the legality issue by serving 2 terms as President, then downgraded to PM for one term, came back to serve a 3rd term as President.
Anyway, Putin has no choice, a year round warm water sea port is far more important than sanctions which Russia can absorb as long as world energy prices remain high.
Getting back to history, Krushchev (check spelling) placed Crimear under Ukraine, of course no one coulde have foreseen the collapse of USSR, then came an independent Ukraine (used to be USSR's missile & nuclear weapons storage site) which even threatened to close the naval ports to Russian ships.
Russia was really alarmed at that statement and/or intention from Ukraine. So, Referendum =annexing Crimea.
If the world sits around quietly, Russia will take Ukraine too! Let's watch.
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发表于 2014-3-8 21:43:17 | 只看该作者
| One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind - Neil Armstrong, JUL21 1969.
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发表于 2014-3-11 00:44:19 | 只看该作者
| One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind - Neil Armstrong, JUL21 1969.
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发表于 2014-3-11 13:18:47 | 只看该作者
From the surface, what Russia did is kind of strange. But we have to understand US and Western allies are really the best and smartest when comes to division, diffusion and separation of any large countries that can potentially threaten then in the future. So that the world resource would endlessly flow to the U.S.
After the collapse of USSR, the US allies have already successfully included many east European countries to NATO, the final goal is to corner Russia and China from the west side. Basically making them irrelevant.
U.S also has its new war strategy to return to Asia, with the imaginary enemy as China. Using Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Phil, Viet etc to circle China from the east so it will never raise to be out of control of the US. One American use to tell me, "it is ok to have Chinese supply cheap labor, but if one day all Chinese want to eat meat and drive car, there will be a big resource problem." This might sound racist, but it is not. It is actually economically true from the point of the Americans.
Being friend with US such as Japan, German, Romania etc is indeed beneficial. Especially in economy. But ultimately, it is just like each time you earn $100, you have give $45 to the US and say "Sir, yes Sir, big boss".
For instance, S. Korea pays annually US $15billion to maintain US. troop to fight its own people in the North. Which is more than LG and Samsung's combined profit. So ultimately, whatever yellow monkeys think of gaining, we actually pay all back to uncle Sam. And even if a war broke out, yellow monkeys will die first.
The same happens between China-Japan, China-Taiwan, Russia-Ukraine, Russia-Poland and all across Africa.
So yeah, on the surface, Putin looks tough. But in reality, he is a wounded, skinny and cornered lion.
Obama is asking China to join them. Smart man. A tough call for China's Xi.
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楼主| 发表于 2014-3-11 19:07:55 | 只看该作者
BayerischeM 发表于 2014-3-11 00:18
From the surface, what Russia did is kind of strange. But we have to understand US and Western allie ...
Welcome to join history/politic forum. Great vision/expression
Let's take a look at map. Russia/China/USA sharing large portion of land and population. From human/personal angle they refuse to follow any others. [大家咁高咁大]. Particular CHINA pertains 10,000 years written history. China noticed herself always 長老. How would she allows 死零仔亚之亚jaw! Well, sometime they do BUT wouldn't be from heart.
Honestly, if you ask me .... I like USA but I won't listen/follow her.
All other smaller nations .... they don't have this kind of MIND.
South America ... Spanish. They do have longer history than North America. That's why they don't like US also.
Now you probably noticed India coming up to share their potions. German/France going to be next.
USA dominants economic/military area more than 50 years already. Let's see WHOM going first to break through this!
In last 600 years we see 1st Holland, 2nd France, 3rd England, 4th Spain/Portugle, 5th Germany/Japan and last USA. Today we see RUSSIA and then CHINA coming ....
Hmmm...... welcome comment ... hehe
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楼主| 发表于 2014-3-12 19:50:28 | 只看该作者
BayerischeM 发表于 2014-3-11 18:56
Yes,
Unfortunately US is very aware of that. We can see that the Americans are very strategic since ...
Welcome Bayer comes forward in pursuit Chinese (I said Chinese not China) value.
First, apart good/bad agree/disagree but one TRUTH that we must admit ourselves CHINESE. We have yellow, dark hair and able to read/understand chinese languages/writings. We have same Ancestor.
We noticed how good the German/Prussia are. 1st thing first, we must "和睦". Ensure/Enrich 国民教育. Stop fighting each other.
We see/notice CHINA coming closer to top of 世界舞台 ... why not give her a push/support?
Sorry, my chinese typing is very poor (take me 10+ more times). Also my children speak/understand not more than 10% chinese. Well, not much I can ask them but at least I am doing my part.....
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发表于 2014-3-17 15:14:51 | 只看该作者
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