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邓小平之六四评价

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-26 09:21:50 | 显示全部楼层
但用军队血洗就过了头 ~~~~~
(1) Either police never been called. Or
(2) Police is called but can't finish the job. Then situation exposed to out of control. Therefore ..... 用军队来结束学生动乱 is the last choice.

The word you choose "血洗"  maybe over exaggerate: Here are extracted from Google .... (google it if you want to confirm it)

>Just past 6:00 am on June 4, students who had vacated the Square were walking westward in the bicycle lane, three tanks pursued them from the Square, firing tear gas and one drove through the crowd, killing 11 students, injuring scores.

>Later in the morning, thousands of civilians tried to re-enter the Square, which was blocked by army. As the crowd approached the troops, an officer sounded a warning, and the troops opened fire. Dozens of civilians were shot in the back as they fled. Later, the crowds surged back toward the troops, who opened fire again, sending the people a flight. The crowd attempted several more times but could not enter the Square, which remained closed to the public for two weeks.

>On June 5, A lone man standing in front of a column of tanks driving out of Tiananmen Square. The iconic photo that would eventually make its way around the world was taken on June 5 on Chang'an Avenue. As the tank driver attempted to go around him, the "Tank Man" moved into the tank's path. He continued to stand defiantly in front of the tanks for some time, then climbed up onto the turret of the lead tank to speak to the soldiers inside. After returning to his position in front of the tanks, the man was pulled aside by a group of people.

Outside mainland China, and among circles critical of the crackdown within mainland China, it is commonly referred to in Chinese as 六四屠杀.

That was total death and injury printed on Google On June 4 AM & 5th. 血洗 is much lesser than 1947-02-28 in Taipei.


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 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-26 09:46:32 | 显示全部楼层
Estimates death toll on June 4th & 5th, per google (Not government of China)

死亡人數非官方的估計比政府公佈的數字通常有較高的, and go as high as several thousand.
Nicholas D. Kristof 紐約時報 on June 21 that "it seems plausible that about fifty soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians.
Then-U.S. ambassador James Lilley said that based on visits to hospitals around Beijing, a minimum of several hundred had been killed.
In a 1990 article addressing the question, Time magazine asserted that the Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths on the morning of June 4, though later this figure was retracted.
A declassified NSA cable filed on the same day estimated 180–500 deaths up to the morning of June 4.
Amnesty International's estimates puts the number of deaths at several hundred to close to 1,000 while a Western diplomat that compiled estimates put the number at 300 to 1,000.

1989-06-04 is the most Chinese death toll between 1976~2015. (Say not more than 5,000). In this regime 1976~2015 Chinese has much lesser killed by 人禍. Don't you think it is luck or regret?

These death provides stability to China for 25+ years. In this period Chinese grew into more civilized and educated.





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发表于 2015-4-9 15:16:49 | 显示全部楼层
不论是邓小平的六四惨案,还是老毛的文化大革命,这些领导人物或所谓的他们的智囊团为达到目的都是有功亦有过的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-4-10 03:31:45 | 显示全部楼层
alexG 发表于 2015-4-9 15:16
不论是邓小平的六四惨案,还是老毛的文化大革命,这些领导人物或所谓的他们的智囊团为达到目的都是有功亦有 ...

邓小平的六四惨案 ~~~~ 完全理解, 在這 1989~2015 據估計5,000死亡, 然後提供25年以上的政治穩定。 它比1911〜1976年要少得多, 在这一段时间估計總共一億人直接或間接的死亡.

老毛的文化大革命 ~~~~ 據估計有四千萬直接或間接的死亡.

这些领导人物或所谓的他们的智囊团为达到目的都是有功亦有过的 ~~~~ 這是我們的"爭辯"點. We got to see 功 as well as 过.

Ching [alexG] .... don't tell me you are 一哥 too.
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