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 发表于 2014-4-8 18:08:54 | 只看该作者 
This topic has been further mentioned by BEN兄 earlier and has been seen again (very similar) in TODAY COMMERCIAL NEWS. Contents written in Chinese character but not easy for me re-type it. Therefore it transmitted in English here. I abstained some political/sensitive contents to avoid challenges.
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Western 民主 starts failing in countries like Eygpt, Urkran & Thailand etc. 民主 demands majorities lead minorities. Thereafter the minorites using 民主 platform to attack majorities.
民主 seems fair. Yes, it is in certain conditions. But in real world none of countries has the same form/level of admin system, history, knowledge, education, ethnic background etc. So, it hasn't has 1 format of 民主 to be applied to all nations on earth. For us (you and me) with 民主 in our mouth we have to understand whether it is applicable for our own countries (the place we live).
The perfect 民主 would have been the leadership loves their citizen. And the citizen support the leadership.
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Let's go back to place we lived before (HK). What if 梁震英 leave. 民主 elected 梁國雄 or 李桌人 or 何俊仁 as CEO. Don't you think the daily revolution/protest would stop? IMO today, the on going problems is not come from 梁震英. The real problem came from the citizen of HK. They douche by disguised politicians. HK citizen even turned down (1) 国民教育. (2) Abstained Law Article 23. They don't even know what it refers! These 2 substances are basic elements for all Countries in UN.
Perfect 民主 would come naturally with higher qualities of citizen. HK/China/Taiwan are not yet ready for it today.
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-15 14:41:52 | 只看该作者
USA not in "世界標準" 民主. Obama won States' votes but lost in 一人一票. That's why House of Common is controlled by 共和党.
USA is 霸權國. Israel claims lands from Egypt, Syria from war/battle in 1966. USA makes it official and allows Israel to move settlers in as colony.
USA proclaims illegal against Russia whom accept Crimea as state. Crimea joined Russia by votes, not war.
Whereas, countries that don't listen to Uncle Sam's orders are labelled as evil. + 1
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 发表于 2014-8-15 13:41:48 | 只看该作者
tonywu993 发表于 2014-8-15 08:56
alomst impossible get 民主 in HK, unless US take over .
You must be joking or living in another world if you this US is 民主.
US only preaches 民主, but supports compliant dictatorships (that listens to its orders). Whereas, countries that don't listen to Uncle Sam's orders are labelled as evil.
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楼主| 发表于 2014-7-31 13:33:45 | 只看该作者
香港是一個資本主義的社會. 但是資本家(人数)是少數. 如果這多數人(工人)質素低的話. 然而由他們領導,這是很危險的.由香港每年七一遊行看到. 有相當多低質素的人上街. 那感覺到自由選舉並不是时候.
如果由工人領導的話.這不是返回毛擇東年代?
質素低的人: 没有國民教育, 宣染暴力, 不妥協, 歧視他人. |
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楼主| 发表于 2014-7-25 12:01:38 | 只看该作者
香港部分立法會議員雖然隸屬不同黨派，但是他們的行徑卻往往與民主黨一致，聯手對抗政府。立法會議員余若薇、吳靄儀、劉慧卿、何俊仁、張文光、司徒華等都與李柱銘同一鼻孔出氣，不過有些人包裝得較為友善，較受市民歡迎。[民主派]人士不鼓勵群眾與政府坐下來商談，反而煽動他們上街遊行，然後向外界聲稱上街的人都是對普選有訴求，這是不對的。
那些自稱「民主派」的人其實一點也不民主。這些「民主派」人士煽動群眾上街遊行，對抗政府. 他們一直採取與中央對立的態度，這是因為他們不想香港回歸祖國，仍然希望英國政府管治香港。
民主，不是你叫自己做民主派就是民主的。民主其實是從心裏發出，從心裏去追求的。是不偏不倚願意坐下來討論問題，達到一個公平的妥協。真正的『民主派』是可以包容其他人不同的意見，願意和別人合作。但是香港這些所謂的『民主派』就一樣都做不到。 |
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楼主| 发表于 2014-8-1 01:32:20 | 只看该作者
Mingcy 发表于 2014-7-31 16:10
Tom兄有见地 我buy. 国民教育一定要㗎啦．服唔服 用唔用．冇问题格．但一定要知．念以前有鬼用咩．比他哋任 ...
国民教育一定要有~~~~ 絕對是 . 我們身在加拿大, 看到我們兄弟美國, 加拿大一切都比不上美國, 例如學術/專科教育, 軍事訓練/科學, IT技術/發明, 商品發明, 城市設計, 電影製作等等。 唯獨国民教育加拿大肯定勝美國一籌。
民主唔Arm中国人。自私太重,小聪明太多 ~~~ 所以国民教育是唯一出路.
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楼主| 发表于 2014-4-9 13:53:19 | 只看该作者
HC1265 发表于 2014-4-9 10:39
I agree with your opinion. China/ Taiwan/ HK not ready for 民主.
It is only used as a weapon for und ...
Ansan Chan & 李柱名 .... Their destination is White House. Annual 朝聖.
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楼主| 发表于 2014-4-9 06:25:06 | 只看该作者
The above articles (contents) posted in 加拿大商报 (free). 星期四 (April 8) Page 8.
Either coincide or the author is reviewer of 747 (particularily a fans of 賓哥)  |
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发表于 2014-4-9 10:39:38 | 只看该作者
I agree with your opinion. China/ Taiwan/ HK not ready for 民主.
It is only used as a weapon for undesireable power struggle. Resulting in further chaos.
Example: Ansan Chan is in north America, including Toronto, to promote 民主?
Think carefully, she was a former high level civil servant. Did she ever hinted on more 民主?
Not to my re-collection. Why she is doing it now?
Likely personal vengence for not being considered for the top job in HK?
Should we even listen to somebody who has such fragile personal feelings? |
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楼主| 发表于 2014-4-16 09:11:18 | 只看该作者
民主係人都識講. 容易明白. 但過份相信民主只係得一條方程式, 就会迷失理智. 变成迷信.
民主过程係要考虑社会环境, 个人理智, 科学化慢慢演变而成. |
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发表于 2014-4-17 18:44:31 | 只看该作者
Democracy is a tool.
All forms of government systems have their weaknesses.
Look at Greece, they started Democracy, are they any better? not necessary.
Look at US. I can bet that no one with wealth under a million can be elected.
We asians/chinese are new to democracy, to be honest. We are more used to Emperor rules.
Therefore, it may seem that we are not as 'mature'.
Underline point is - There is no perfect political system lo because we are all corrupt and will always find loop holes and weaknesses.
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楼主| 发表于 2014-4-20 08:48:45 | 只看该作者
it may seem that we are not as 'mature'. ~~~~ That's the point!
In HongKong all people (yelling 梁震英 out) asking democracy.
Let's say 梁震英 down ..... whom going to replace him? Those people really don't have a plan?
Hong Kong really a very small small place ..... but so many politicians? So many politicians = No one have dominant platforms.
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楼主| 发表于 2014-7-20 07:17:01 | 只看该作者
国民教育 is a sub-subject other than academic/profession. It was taught in school in early childhood in many Countries including Canada. That's how these children learn respects, polite, non-violence and sharing. Of course, love their own country.
国民教育 is dumped by HK teachers! They considered that it is 洗腦教育. They don't want any attempt to change the educational contents but to destroy the whole faculty.[Similar pushed down the restaurant because the menu is no good]. 人類/社会的發展 is derived from exploration/inspiration. School's faculty is designed for these developments. How could we miss these?
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发表于 2014-7-21 13:36:12 | 只看该作者
Agree: HK/China/Taiwan are not ready for 民主 today.
I would pick HK as the least ready as well as picking the most twisted version!
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