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 发表于 2014-2-9 22:11:20 | 只看该作者 
民主、民权、民生 as far as I knew. Sounds good and it works. Does it perfect? Have any better/newer choices other than these (民主、民权、民生)?
Communism sounds good & adepted by many countries nearly 100 years. It proven 民主 better. While it has choices/challenges therefore people, including Chinese mailand, dumping communism nowadays.
Does democracy works in middle-east? Thailand even attempting to push it out (see today's situation). Does US support democracy (refer to palestinian)?
民权 : Do you allow guns fall into hand of criminals/kid. See most American cities. People select things/minds for his own benefits/protection.
民主 : It creates politicians (Liars) rather than honesty. Good liar(s) supported by many 無知s. 毛泽东 is a good case.
民生 : How would this success when everyone choose not to work as team? People choose to receive more (money) than to give (work). Choose to work relax but not to work hard.
Without other choices democracy prevail.
Today, China choosing a way (neither democracy nor Communism) for her own. Should we support her to continue while it is progressing? In about 40 years China jumped from extreme hungers/beggars to 2nd largest economy (per UN) and in top 10 of military power in the world. We even see chinese-made machine on moon NOW.
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发表于 2014-2-12 09:32:00 | 只看该作者
三民主义 is a copy of Western democracy, adapted to Chinese social behavior and culture. I am a true believer of democracy but it will not work for China immediately. Taiwan was not completely democracy at its best time (during 80s). So it actually does not work that well in Taiwan.
Voting is for an educated, wealthy (not equal to rich) and socially responsible societies. So Taiwan and South Korea are only relatively OK compare to undeveloped country such as Thailand and Philippines etc. At those countries, there are elections, but violent protests from the losing side always erupt. Therefore they are not developed enough for democracy.
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-2-10 16:45:28 | 只看该作者
Ben2009 发表于 2014-2-9 15:39
Rather than say "democracy doesn't work for Chinese", we should say democracy as a political system ...
Yes. democracy work well in western Europe, North America and Japan. Their people are well educated and hard working. Democracy doesn't work in poor developing countres.
40 years ago China is not in position to adopt Democracy. If she did it going to be a disaster to Chinese longtime. Even today still .... hestitate. IMO let China stay the way she is & wait for time to come.
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 发表于 2014-2-10 04:39:35 | 只看该作者
| Rather than say "democracy doesn't work for Chinese", we should say democracy as a political system doesnt work very well. Especially not for poor developing countries. |
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发表于 2014-2-10 03:35:25 | 只看该作者
these are models, whether they are realistic or not, i do not know. But we do need something to hold on to, something ideal to work towards.
based on my limited knowledge on laws and cultures in china, i think 三民主义 works.. can not think of any other model |
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发表于 2014-2-10 04:09:05 | 只看该作者
Simply put, the 3 terms are "of the people, for the people, & by the people".
Dr. Sun received western education (from university days on) & was exposed to these ideas while in Europe. Can he use these English terms to preach these ideas to the Chinese population at that time who were illiterates in the country side? Of course not! So he came up with these Chinese-friendly terms.
"The 3 Peoples Principles" absolutely will work. Taiwan is a valid example.
Will it work in China? Probably will but was never given the chance because civil war started almost immediately after the Sino-Japanese War. Just remember "Rome wasn't built in a day".
Will CCP embrace "the 3 Peoples Principle"? May be "for the people", which government does not? But the other 2, then, never in a million years!
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发表于 2014-2-10 04:30:10 | 只看该作者
nice lecture Dr. DD
i like how u said Dr. Sun came up with these Chinese-friendly terms considering people were illiterates in the countryside. |
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发表于 2014-2-10 04:38:04 | 只看该作者
In broad terms, 三民主义 is pretty much the same as democracy. At least its the same general model. Its important to keep in mind that all forms of government are ideals or theoretical models only. Some function (or dysfunction) quite differently than intended once put into practice (eg/ communism/socialism).
So would 三民主义/democracy work? Rather than looking at us Chinese specifically, lets look around the world and see how well it has worked. I would argue that it HASN'T worked very well. It certainly works better than communism, but that isn't saying much. I've said elsewhere that the Western democracies many people aspire to are only the EXCEPTION rather than norm. In most countries that adopt democracy, everything just falls apart. Rather than one dictator, you have a few that are constantly fighting each other. Especially if you have a population that isn't very well educated or informed, they will not select the best leader but the most manipulative and shrewd one. Even the US is rapidly regressing in terms of freedom and liberty being rolled back. |
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发表于 2014-2-10 23:12:11 | 只看该作者
三民主义. may work for Chinese in the long term in a modified to suit form.
Western Europe took a few centuries to get into the present state.
For now, leave it the way as is, only aim for small improvement.
Just look at Ukraine, Egypt, Thailand & even HK.
These countries are jumping to democracy way too fast.
If the political upset takes place in China, this country will never rise again! |
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楼主| 发表于 2014-2-12 19:34:41 | 只看该作者
BayerischeM 发表于 2014-2-11 20:32
三民主义 is a copy of Western democracy, adapted to Chinese social behavior and culture. I am a true ...
Welcome Bayer ....
I posted quite a few TOPICS here require us to see things at WHITE, BLACK & GREY. Seems that you, Ben哥, HC1265 able to do so .... so far.
Democracy is quite a good subject for everybody to chase for. Definately me too.
Not to say in board society let's look at Corporation level. Office politician always been promoted to higher position than those whom hv head down and work hard.
Nowadays in public election politician always win the battle. I am sure there are millions people would do a better job than him/her.
Democracy definately is an answer but, not today in China-mainland and HK. Taiwan came to a position beneath to Korea/Japan/Singapore but just ahead Philippines/Thailand etc.
China-mainland did success in Eoncomic and military (not me saying that but it is from world vision). Let's allow her to stay her own way & look for Human rights to come.
Welcome to debate (with points).
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